Naturalist Capitalist
Episode 281 - Four Horsemen #22 with Ben Swann
[Jan 30, 2023]
(1 hour 20 minutes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HneJX2ESetQ&t=1s
Ben Swann's interview with Obama
[Sep 6, 2012]
(7 minutes)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceobsac7LE8